If you're a Football Outsider you're a TRUE player and true players don't stick to one passion only, so here's something else to excite you while you're waiting for the game to start. How about a free $30 chip to play slot machine games for as long as you want?
If he did, I think he would probably be greeted warmly, unfortunately.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 12:46pm
I hope he tries. I don't think anyone's been injured in a lambeau leap before, but there's always a first time for everything. And I hope that when he is introduced, the place just goes stone cold silent. I know it won't happen, but I can hope, right?
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by roguerouge :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 12:57pm
Calvin Johnson's out. Could this be the week for the Rams?!
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by TomKelso :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:01pm
Just what the Raiders need -- another Cable bombshell this morning. How does this team show up to play even as little as they do?
Apparently Cable's ex-wife and one of his former girlfriends (going from memory, so I could be wrong about what exactly their relationships to him were) are saying that he was violent and physically abusive. One said that when they broke up/divorced, she suggested counseling and that made him even angrier (and apparently she was surprised by this--I have a psychology degree and I can tell you that telling anyone they should get any kind of counseling or therapy almost always makes them angry).
Honestly, to NFL peoples (players, coaches, executives, etc.), it probably doesn't matter. Perhaps I'm overly cynical, but they really don't seem to care at all about domestic violence-type situations. In fact, I would say the same is true for all sports. After all, Brett Myers is currently in the World Series.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Harris :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:06pm
The Giants are missing three starters on defense, Bradshaw and Jacobs are hobbled and Manningham might not play. In theory, the Eagles should win easily if, IF, Donovan McNabb's evil twin Seamus has ended his annual visit. I hate Seamus.
Hail Hydra!
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by CathyW :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:06pm
"In theory" being the operative words. I never count the Giants out until the clock hits all zeros and the game is over. They're sneaky that way.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by nojo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:26pm
Similarly, you should never count the Eagles "in" until they actually show up....
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:06pm
Is this the first time since week 2 that there's no obvious blowout (mainly because Detriot and St. Louis play each other), or are we counting on SF to be destroyed by Indy?
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by Lealand :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:17pm
The Browns play the bears. The bears stink but nowhere near browns level stink.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by elhondo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:20pm
DVOA has the AZ/CAR game as pretty lopsided. Didn't see many others.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:23pm
My completely subjective thinking has homefield balance that out significantly.
Granted, it also has Carolina run the ball on every offensive play and Jake Delhomme only fumble the snap three times.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 6:45pm
Okay, so I totally blew the homefield call. I was sure they were playing at Carolina.
Still, seems something balanced it out regardless.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:35pm
Just realised with Big Ben on bye, I have a choice between Hasselbeck, Bulger, and Culpepper to QB my fantasy team this week... I'm doomed. Kill me now.
...any tips?
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by B :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:41pm
Based on the fact that the Rams are playing the Lions, I'd start Bulger. Unless he's hurt.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:46pm
Thanks B. Bulger's apparently okay - at least until the game starts. Just discovered Stafford's in for the Lions anyway, which makes that simpler.
In seriousness, I would go with Bulger just because he's facing the worst pass defense of those three, but I think they'll all be about equal in the end.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:48pm
No kidding - what a trio of QBs that would have been five years ago!
I think you would have to be punished by the fantasy gods for having such a trio. Possibly by being forced to have them again 5 years later.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:33pm
My other league, where Brady's my starter, my options this week were Delhomme, Bulger, JaMarcus, Anderson, and Stafford. I think I just entered fantasy purgatory.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Mike Y :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:59pm
I'm sorry, but Avatar looks like it will be a huge expensive flop.
McNabb throws a TD to make me curse benching him in one fantasy league. Then they realize that if he had time to throw a 10-yard pass, Jason Peters must have been holding and sure enough, he was.
2 plays later they throw seemingly the exact same pass from 20 yards out and the Eagles are up 13-0.
DON'T MENTION SUCH FRIGHTENING IDEAS SOMEONE WILL ACTUALLY MAKE THAT MOVIE!
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:31pm
..and Adam Sandler will get another starring role. You don't want to be responsible for that, do you?
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:28pm
That's the Seahawks defense I've come to love. Hurd on the 25-yard TD score for Dallas. Now 7-3 Dallas.
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by sldfkjsfls (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:29pm
Donovan discovers his new favorite target: himself.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Magister (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:29pm
Slaton just fumbled again. If he can't gain yards and can't hold on to the ball, not sure how long the Texans can stick with him. But who can they play instead?
Weird play--Tuck hits McNabb's pass and as he's bobbling it, McNabb hits it away and then catches it and runs. He doesn't really get anything, but still a weird play.
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NFL Gamepass HD does not work
by big_adventure :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:31pm
The NFL and their third-party GamePass provider are back to screwing the pooch - and when the Phins / Jets game is on. I pay HOW MUCH for this again?
No, it was just the irony of "This isn't a wildcat, the QB left! Now, THAT is a wildcat" pointing to a team whose QB leaves for wildcat plays.
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by Pat (filler) (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:54pm
It was a 3rd and 1, and the Giants were clearly expecting an inside run, so Vick just took off and picked up the 1 on the edge. It might not seem exciting, but it's a solid 3rd and short play. And considering those haven't gone that well for the Eagles in recent years, that's cool by me.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Harris :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:43pm
Miles Austin is officially a star. He can demand PI calls 15 seconds after the play is over.
Hail Hydra!
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by B :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:43pm
If you're not watching the Stl/Det game, you're missing out on some real "football". 3rd and 10 on the StL 12 yard line, Stafford gets picked off for the lions in the end zone. The defender brings the ball out to about the 1 yard line, then trying to make a play, he goes back into the end zone, and gets tackled for a Safety. The Lions are finally on the board.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by T. Diddy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:46pm
Remind me again why the NFL doesn't have relegation?
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:47pm
Because none of the minor leagues would agree to take Detroit.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:44pm
Trufant with DPI. 1st and goal Dallas at 2. Barber walks into the end zone for the TD. 14-3 Dallas.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:47pm
Bad Orton. The only positive thing he has produced was the slowest 10-yard-scramble you'll see this week. The Denver offense is DEAD so far.
Also Ed Reed made a highlight reel hit on Moreno, who fumbled on the play. Slow developing screens will get your reciever killed... by Ed...
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:49pm
A nice pass to Carlson for a first down. Then, Seneca Wallace, playing receiver, falls down on a flea-flicker play that would have gained big yards.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Harris :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:50pm
13:54 to go in the second quarter, the Manning Face makes its first appearance.
Hail Hydra!
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:51pm
I have yet to see Dawkins miss a tackle this year. Easily took Heap down, one-on-one, short of the sticks on 3rd down.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:53pm
Bronco O-line injury #1: RT Ryan Harris, toe-injury, carted to locker, questionable.
Harris back on the sideline. Looks healthy. Whew...
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:53pm
Great. We now have Johnnie Mitchell ranting on UK TV about how Vince Young "shouldn't have lost his job due to injury". He is actually the worst NFL analyst I have ever seen - he even makes Nick Halling look competent.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:55pm
I guess Mitchell can't recognize incompetence.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 2:53pm
Unbelievable pass from Hassleback to Branch. The Dallas defender turns his head about a half second too late. 14-10 Dallas.
"[A] shifty back with great acceleration and good instincts for knowing where and how to hit the hole. He’s got the tools to be a great receiver, but doesn’t have a ton of experience. ... [H]e can’t pass block and he has serious fumble issues" Projected DVOA: 9.4% rushing, 18.2% receiving
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:00pm
Orton: 5/8, 2 yards, 0/0
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:03pm
Ah, but he doesn't turn the ball over...
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:05pm
And just wins games
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:53pm
Not today he doesn't.
According to Johnnie Mitchell, "Where Kyle Orton go, this team go."
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by B :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:04pm
How do you complete 5 passes for only 2 yards?
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:01pm
Seattle loses a challenge they probably shouldn't have made. Austin made a great catch on the sideline.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:03pm
Dawkins misses his first tackle on the year. He was all over Flacco, who flips it out to Rice who gets 15.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:05pm
OMG! Seattle sacks Romo.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:07pm
Romo did not look sharp during that drive. He was almost picked twice. Dallas misses a 48-yard FG attempt. Still 14-10 Dallas.
Yes, and that accuracy improved noticeably as soon as the cast came off his finger. I actually feel fine about Orton. Better than I did about Cutler, anyway (and I know we have disagreements there).
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:19pm
I would take Cutler any day - no doubt. However: Orton has reached "best case scenario" for me. This level of production, and absence of turnovers is all a broncos-fan could've hoped for.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:16pm
Another miscommunication between Romo and Williams. Seatlle nearly picks Romo.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:16pm
Ryan Harris back in the game - Gumbell and Dierdorff of course fails to mention just that.
The Giants forgot DeSean Jackson was on the field and he easily scores the most wide open touchdown in history. Meanwhile, one of the officials just falls down behind him for no apparent reason.
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by Rocco :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:20pm
Interesting strategy by the Giants to not bother covering Desean Jackson.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:22pm
The O-line is getting killed. Very strange! The Ravens have a good rush, but this o-line usualy is flawless...
Eli Manning puts the ball perfectly in Quentin Demps's hands. Eli is having one of the worst games I have ever seen from a legitimate QB.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:24pm
The Broncos have had excellent half-time adjustments so far this season. It'll take something special - or a lucky fluke - to score on the Ravens today. Broncos down 6-0 at halftime.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by CathyW :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:25pm
Wow, Bad Eli has shown up today with a vengeance.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:25pm
Second Trufant DPI puts Dallas in red zone towards end of first half.
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by Harris :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:25pm
Eli airmails a pick to Demps. Eagles ball at the Giant 42. 1:15 to play.
Hail Hydra!
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by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:27pm
...and one of the Giants corners get beat to the inside in man coverage. Easy 6.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:25pm
Will a team go 0-16 or 16-0?
-Yes, 0-16
-Yes, 16-0
-Both
-No.
And McNabb reaps revenge on me for benching him in fantasy by completing another TD pass.
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by Magister (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:26pm
TO made his league leading 8th drop of the season in the end zone forcing Buffalo to kick a field goal. It looks like he somehow managed to get outmuscled by Jacque Reeves on a fade route. Rich Gannon blames the drop on Fitzpatrick for some unknown, unknowable reason.
Is it possible that the reason DVOA has trouble with the Eagles is that they always do what the Cardinals apparently did late last season? It seems every year they lose a couple of games that make them look like crap against pathetic opponents and then they suddenly show up and dominate against a tough opponent. Maybe they really just don't try during those bad games.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:28pm
Roy Williams for the Dallas TD. It's under review, but it should stand easily.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:29pm
TD confirmed. 21-10 Dallas with :35 to go in first half.
Bizarre play! Orton fakes to RB. Fakes end around. Goes 50 yards down field to Marshall in double coverage. Phantom PI called. Late. Very, very late.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:44pm
Orton nails the upright on a pass he throws from about the 10-yard line.
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by Paul R (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:45pm
Did anyone else notice the graphic on the 49ers first series?
It said: "ALEX SMITH--LAST START: LOST AT SEA."
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:49pm
lol
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by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:52pm
that's great
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:47pm
Denver goes for it on 4th and one. The play comes up short but the Ravens are offsides. 1st and goal Denver.
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49ers v.Colts
by TLivingston :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:47pm
The 49ers could actually be up more than 14-9 at the half.
For whatever reason, Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye still want to establish the run, but the run game outside of that long TD run from Gore (where the Colts didn't tackle well at all) has been pedestrian. When they spread it out a bit, they're much more successful. Smith's arm is fine and now that he has Vernon Davis playing at an All-Pro level along with Crabtree's emergence, they need to exploit that a lot more than banging Gore up as much as they have.
Meanwhile, Manning's been having trouble reading some of these blitz coverages, but the problem is that he's leaving a lot of balls up high or long for his receivers. 49ers are doing a good job of mixing him up, though, as they haven't allowed a big play all game. Bend but don't break seems to be working.
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Re: 49ers v.Colts
by TLivingston :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:55pm
As soon as I say it, two big third down conversions for Manning. Third down DVOA in the first half will probably be pretty bad, but it's looking good early in the third.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:47pm
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Slow developing sweeps or stretches with Ed Reed on the field, will just not work. Ever.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:48pm
Ngata down for the Ravens. Doesn't look good at the moment.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:51pm
Ngata walks off the field under his own power, though slowly. Lewis tagged for DPI in the end zone. Denver scores on the next play. 13-7 Ravens.
The Giants fumble the ball away. The Eagles are having trouble getting on the field instead of just falling down laughing at the Giants' incompetence.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Pat F. :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:54pm
Alex Smith, Vernon Davis, and Michael Crabtree all look pretty good against a pretty solid defense.
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by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:55pm
Oh no! Someone divided by 0 again.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Pat F. :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:58pm
It should be mentioned that on SF's TD drive, Smith looked right on every play except the touchdown pass. We might be in for a 2nd-half meltdown after Indy makes some adjustments.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:54pm
When are offset penalties "replay of down" and when are they offset and "result of the play stands"?
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by sldfkjsfls (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:59pm
To a first approximation, the result of the play stands when the penalties occur after the play.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:56pm
Officials in Broncos-Ravens game throwing a lot of late flags half way across the field from the call.
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by Purds :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 3:58pm
I just got to look at the first drive by Colts of the second half -- wow, the offensive line is playing really poorly. Pure luck to move the ball close enough to get a FG. They'll need to be better if they have any chance to win, or the D will have to score.
I give Tom Coughlin credit--Giants just went for it on 4th-and-4 on the Eagles' 29. It didn't work out, but credit for trying anyway.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:02pm
TMQ will be happy!
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by TomKelso :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:02pm
OK -- what is the reason that Houston can not seem to find a way to get the ball to any of their receivers inside the 10? There ought to be too many options to stop, right? First the Cardinals game, now this....
The Giants seem to have borrowed the Titans' defensive gameplan from their game against New England.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:03pm
I have Sunday Ticket so I can watch any game. And I'm watching Rams-Lions. I think I need therapy.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:04pm
or a new tv. or glasses. or a brain.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:06pm
No. It's sympathy viewing because Tanier had to read "Monday Night Jihad".
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:09pm
Elam should write a sequel, "Sunday Afternoon Feces". A terrorist wants to plant a bomb at an NFL game, but gets confused and puts it in the wrong spot. It goes off as planned, but all it does is blow up a large septic tank, covering the field with a thick layer of feces. And nobody notices, because it's Lions-Rams.
Fox is like religious extremists. They are a parody of themselves.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:24pm
I'm going crazy. The Broncos defenders have contact with Flacco half of his dropbacks. But he's just sooo huge he can easily escape and complete passes downfield. This is with Roethlisberger comming up...
That is a bad sign. However, with the way that division is looking, no need to worry unless they lose about 5 in a row.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:26pm
what broadcast are you watching in Denmark?
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:37pm
Illegal peer-to-peer, shhh...
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by PatsFan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:25pm
Why wasn't Braylon Edwards ruled "forward progress stopped" on that TD?
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:28pm
Ok, so I have the philly D and Brandon Jacobs, after they run Jacobs a bunch of times, no down near the goal line, I'm thinking, well at least these two will cancel each other out. Nope. Let's run bradshaw. Yuck.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:28pm
Does anyone have a competitive game? I'm suffering through Seahawks-Cowboys and Broncos-Ravens.
"I saw a guy with the football and he wasn't wearing our jersey, so I hit him."
-Colts LB Mike Curtis (talking about when he hit a drunken fan who ran onto the field and stole the ball)
Seems like a fair principle to apply as fans--he's not in our jersey so we'll boo him.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Harris :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:30pm
McCoy goes 71 yards for the TD. Eagles-40, Giants-17.
LeSean McCoy just outruns everyone for a TD. I'm not sure how I feel about him today, but that was a good run.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:32pm
Okay, that "Tailgate Companion" is now officially the weirdest thing Miller Lite has come up with yet...On the other hand, it's more entertaining than the PHI-NYG game has been...
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:32pm
If the Giants go for a FG again, someone should be fired.
But they won a Super Bowl. Therefore, everyone there is forevermore a genius.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:40pm
Feagles just missed a FG.
That coach should just take off his headphones and call it a day.
Pathetic.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by PatsFan :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:33pm
I guess the Miami offense was jealous of the D/ST. :)
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:34pm
What a bizarre 2pt decision though.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:35pm
I think their charts must say "up by 6 is better than up by 5": Miami chose to try for 13 rather than 12, right after Indy chose to try for 6 rather than 5. Both failed, unfortunately.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:45pm
Then the Jets go for two, get it, and it's called back for an illegal shift. Second attempt fails. Ow.
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by B :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:34pm
Miami scores a TD to go up by 11, and they go for two. Simms says it's not the right call, and I'm forced to agree.
Fox gives us a view of [Vikings QB's] entrance. How exciting. However, I must say it was sort of interesting that the Packer fans seem to have decided on an unusual combination of booing and applause (it looked like most were doing both at the same time) as a response.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:36pm
...and the eagles give up 5 yards after 5 yards after 5 yards.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:38pm
Allow me to be the first to say "screw you and the horse you rode in on, Ryan Moats."
Are you suggesting Ryan Moats isn't himself a horse?
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by Paul R (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:38pm
Interesting to be able to hear the umpire during the Colts game.
During the 2PC, while Manning was calling signals, you could hear the linebacker saying, "Excuse me! Move! Move!" to the ump. Then the ump said, "Where are you going?" The linebacker replied, "That way!"
It seems to me like something's wrong there. The LB was spending too much time talking to somebody behind him seconds before the snap. Is that the LB's fault or the ump's?
Do you think that happens a lot? I've never been able to hear it before.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:43pm
That does seem weird. I have no idea, though, how often it happens.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:44pm
I've played linebacker and that guy is sometimes just next to you.
So you tell him, move, I gotta go there.
Sometimes you're friendly, sometimes you tell him. They understand and try not to be involved in the game.
Funny to hear it on a broadcast though.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by Harris :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:41pm
Giants attempt a 47-yard FG down by 23 with 9:21 to play in the fourth. The Football Gods, fittingly offended, cause a miss. And TMQ just wrote "Game over."
It looks like the defense still played fairly well.
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Re: Week 8 Open Discussion Thread
by morganja :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:45pm
Walt Coleman's crew in the Baltimore-Denver game is terrible. I'm not sure what is going on, and I'm not a Raven's fan, but this is ridiculous. I'm not sure whether it is Coleman or just one or more of the refs, but there have been several totally bogus calls coming from the wrong refs, all the way across the field and way after the play is over. There is at least one ref who needs to be suspended and investigated after this game.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:48pm
Seattle with what's effectively a garbage time TD. 38-17 Dallas.
I am afraid of Green Bay crashing the party, but otherwise it's difficult to see how it doesn't happen. The Giants don't seem to have the offense for it, the Cowboys don't seem to have the defense, and the Falcons don't seem to have the defense. I still don't know what to make of the Cardinals, but I just don't see them getting there.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:50pm
Thanks, Fox, for sticking with the philly game instead of switching to, oh, say, the 49ers-Indy? Hell, I'd even take Detroit-Cleveland over this...
Or the Ravens improved and Orton had a bad day. He looked far too good before for me to say that this is "reality."
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by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:58pm
Whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahha.
Coughlin is making these 'hurry up' movements with his hand. Just after they let the playclock move to 1 second.
What do you think? You're going to score, take the onside, score, take the onside, score take the onside and score within 2 minutes? LOL
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by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:02pm
the commentator rightfully said that it was one quarter and 5 minutes too late.
They should've been in hurry up right after half time.
I can not imagine that an NFL coach gives up after a half. That's what he did.
He was visibly screaming at his team in the middle of the 3rd quarter to hurry up. The announcers complained that he wasn't making his team hurry up (as he was doing this screaming on-screen). Now late they're complaining about how he waited far too long before doing that.
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by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:08pm
That could be, but if he was in a hurry, then why was he calling a FG in the 2nd half? Why the screen passes and running plays?
I think he was acting like a coach in a hurry, but was not being one.
I actually think that he was just thinking, "Maybe we can get it together and come back" and screaming then and then when the team didn't respond and couldn't move the ball he gave up and just went through the motions of saying he wanted to hurry. I didn't see him do it in between the middle of the third and the end of the 4th, so he may not have been at all in that time.
Aikman just said the hardest part for [Vikings QB] would be getting dressed in the visitors' locker room. Does that mean he may come out without pants or something? Accidentally wearing Kevin Williams's jersey?
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by Theo :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:15pm
So it's the great GB defense. vs the packers offense that did very well against the steelers defense.
I think the GB D will take away the pass. The Vikes will struggle but will take some FGs.
The Packers will do fine against the D, and score 27 points against 16 of the Pack.
[Vikings QB] makes a brilliant move by throwing a screen to Taylor on third-and-five when there's a defender in easy position to make a play. Then, Johnny Jolly of the Packers pulls one of the dumbest moves in football history and head butts Taylor to give the Vikings a first down.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:46pm
Vikings take advantage of Jolly's stupidity and get the TD on a 4th and goal AD run. 7-3 Vikings.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:43pm
What a stupid penalty on Jolly.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:46pm
British softie here, but howcome he wasn't ejected for that? What exactly do you have to do to be ejected from the game?
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:48pm
I don't know any more. I saw Bradshaw (NYG) throw a punch last week and not get ejected. Maybe you have to sleep with Goodell's wife on the sideline.
That rule has exceptions in subsection G-1.426 to the fifth power as long as requirements of section 2(a)(5)(B)(iv) subsection 8 are also met, but overall you're right.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:52pm
Well played.
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by sldfkjsfls (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:53pm
Punch an official. In the playoffs, twice.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:57pm
Do both punches need to be on the same official, following the same play, or just in the same game?
Whoa--Childress shows some balls. And not in the creepy way his beard suggests he would. He goes for it, rightly, on 4th-and-goal on the one and they make it.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:47pm
ok. So I throw my tv remote away after jolly makes his boneheaded play, i put the remote back together again, except every button I push comes up a "6." so it goes to channel 666, not available, so thankfully I missed the touchdown dive by the time I fixed the remote.
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:50pm
fuck you, Vikings QB. You did an awesome job handing the ball to the best running back in the league. I also can't stand jared allen. Good player, but those lame ass celebrations after he makes a play...although it's better than that stupid samurai thing that barnett used to do for the packers
I like Jared Allen. If nothing else, there is the great description of whether there was a schism in the Vikings locker room over the new QB: (I'm going from memory, so it's probably not perfect) "When I heard that I went, 'whoa,' 'cause I thought that was some sort of STD or somethin' and we preach abstinence here."
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I know you're challenging me, Bill, but my fingers can't take the abuse.
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Take a Cortazone shot.
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Man up and get it done.
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That's what she said.
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My fingers would be fine--I just don't have that much interesting to say.
Okay, so I don't have anything interesting to say, but some of it may conceivably be.
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I think you're supposed to play through the pain, or something.
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So, does Favre do the Lambeau Leap after scoring, and what happens if he does?
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He doesn't score, so no.
If he did, I think he would probably be greeted warmly, unfortunately.
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I hope he tries. I don't think anyone's been injured in a lambeau leap before, but there's always a first time for everything. And I hope that when he is introduced, the place just goes stone cold silent. I know it won't happen, but I can hope, right?
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Calvin Johnson's out. Could this be the week for the Rams?!
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Just what the Raiders need -- another Cable bombshell this morning. How does this team show up to play even as little as they do?
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Cos if they don't, coach is coming for THEM.
(Allegedly.)
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What is the bombshell? I haven't seen anything.
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Apparently Cable's ex-wife and one of his former girlfriends (going from memory, so I could be wrong about what exactly their relationships to him were) are saying that he was violent and physically abusive. One said that when they broke up/divorced, she suggested counseling and that made him even angrier (and apparently she was surprised by this--I have a psychology degree and I can tell you that telling anyone they should get any kind of counseling or therapy almost always makes them angry).
Honestly, to NFL peoples (players, coaches, executives, etc.), it probably doesn't matter. Perhaps I'm overly cynical, but they really don't seem to care at all about domestic violence-type situations. In fact, I would say the same is true for all sports. After all, Brett Myers is currently in the World Series.
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The Giants are missing three starters on defense, Bradshaw and Jacobs are hobbled and Manningham might not play. In theory, the Eagles should win easily if, IF, Donovan McNabb's evil twin Seamus has ended his annual visit. I hate Seamus.
Hail Hydra!
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"In theory" being the operative words. I never count the Giants out until the clock hits all zeros and the game is over. They're sneaky that way.
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Similarly, you should never count the Eagles "in" until they actually show up....
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Is this the first time since week 2 that there's no obvious blowout (mainly because Detriot and St. Louis play each other), or are we counting on SF to be destroyed by Indy?
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The Browns play the bears. The bears stink but nowhere near browns level stink.
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DVOA has the AZ/CAR game as pretty lopsided. Didn't see many others.
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My completely subjective thinking has homefield balance that out significantly.
Granted, it also has Carolina run the ball on every offensive play and Jake Delhomme only fumble the snap three times.
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Okay, so I totally blew the homefield call. I was sure they were playing at Carolina.
Still, seems something balanced it out regardless.
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Just realised with Big Ben on bye, I have a choice between Hasselbeck, Bulger, and Culpepper to QB my fantasy team this week... I'm doomed. Kill me now.
...any tips?
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Based on the fact that the Rams are playing the Lions, I'd start Bulger. Unless he's hurt.
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Thanks B. Bulger's apparently okay - at least until the game starts. Just discovered Stafford's in for the Lions anyway, which makes that simpler.
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Go back to 2004?
In seriousness, I would go with Bulger just because he's facing the worst pass defense of those three, but I think they'll all be about equal in the end.
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No kidding - what a trio of QBs that would have been five years ago!
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I think you would have to be punished by the fantasy gods for having such a trio. Possibly by being forced to have them again 5 years later.
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My other league, where Brady's my starter, my options this week were Delhomme, Bulger, JaMarcus, Anderson, and Stafford. I think I just entered fantasy purgatory.
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I'm sorry, but Avatar looks like it will be a huge expensive flop.
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Well, James Cameron has a good history with big, expensive movies that looked like they wouldn't make money, unfortunately.
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CBS has punted for the day.
Fox has Giants at Eagles and then Vikings at Packers. CBS has Browns at Bears.
I think if I only had the Browns at Bears early, I would watch "Boston Legal" instead.
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I've got Seahawks-Cowboys and Broncos-Ravens early followed by Vikings-Packers.
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I wish I did.
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Weaver with a 41-yard TD run. Eagles up 7-0.
Hail Hydra!
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My traditional football lunch of pizza arrives during the kickoff and the Eagles are already up when I get back.
The Eagles will win today and become number one in DVOA again.
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Seattle holds Dallas to one first down! Woo hoo!
Then, our return man fields the ball at the 4. Sigh.
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The Eagles are the DVOA Gods (yes, uppercase).
Samuel makes a great pick and takes it down to the Giants' 10.
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McNabb throws a TD to make me curse benching him in one fantasy league. Then they realize that if he had time to throw a 10-yard pass, Jason Peters must have been holding and sure enough, he was.
2 plays later they throw seemingly the exact same pass from 20 yards out and the Eagles are up 13-0.
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Eli doesn't look good so far--Mikell just dropped an easy pick.
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The most on-target pass of the day for Eli overthrows Sheldon Brown by about a yard.
However, he does make a good run as I'm posting this.
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wow and I parlayed on the Giants at -1.
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Eli is determined to throw a pick. The Eagles have dropped 3 on this drive.
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I'm glad I have the Eagle's D on my fantasy team. So far, anyhow.
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Two years later . . . he came home.
FAVREOWEEN.
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DON'T MENTION SUCH FRIGHTENING IDEAS SOMEONE WILL ACTUALLY MAKE THAT MOVIE!
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..and Adam Sandler will get another starring role. You don't want to be responsible for that, do you?
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That's the Seahawks defense I've come to love. Hurd on the 25-yard TD score for Dallas. Now 7-3 Dallas.
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Donovan discovers his new favorite target: himself.
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Slaton just fumbled again. If he can't gain yards and can't hold on to the ball, not sure how long the Texans can stick with him. But who can they play instead?
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Ryan Moats had a good game . . . 4 years ago.
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And Moats is in the game now. Schaub instantly then throws his second pick to Byrd resulting in a weird looking reverse to TO for a touchdown.
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I did not mean to curse them.
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Weird play--Tuck hits McNabb's pass and as he's bobbling it, McNabb hits it away and then catches it and runs. He doesn't really get anything, but still a weird play.
NFL Gamepass HD does not work
The NFL and their third-party GamePass provider are back to screwing the pooch - and when the Phins / Jets game is on. I pay HOW MUCH for this again?
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Osi Unemyiora (I'm not looking up how to spell that, so sorry if it's wrong.) is down. It didn't look like much but he was obviously in pain.
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Seattle in full self-destruct mode near the end of the 1st quarter as Forsett fumbles and Dallas recovers on their 31.
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At the end of the first, it's Dallas 7, Seattle 3. We're seeing exactly why Seattle is 2-4.
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Vick sighting. He just runs to the outside and gets a few yards. Nothing exciting.
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"It is not a wildcat, because Donovan leaves the field."
He then discusses Miami's wildcat. Well, not really discusses but mentions.
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You weren't expecting actual analysis, surely?
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No, it was just the irony of "This isn't a wildcat, the QB left! Now, THAT is a wildcat" pointing to a team whose QB leaves for wildcat plays.
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It was a 3rd and 1, and the Giants were clearly expecting an inside run, so Vick just took off and picked up the 1 on the edge. It might not seem exciting, but it's a solid 3rd and short play. And considering those haven't gone that well for the Eagles in recent years, that's cool by me.
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Miles Austin is officially a star. He can demand PI calls 15 seconds after the play is over.
Hail Hydra!
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If you're not watching the Stl/Det game, you're missing out on some real "football". 3rd and 10 on the StL 12 yard line, Stafford gets picked off for the lions in the end zone. The defender brings the ball out to about the 1 yard line, then trying to make a play, he goes back into the end zone, and gets tackled for a Safety. The Lions are finally on the board.
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Remind me again why the NFL doesn't have relegation?
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Because none of the minor leagues would agree to take Detroit.
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Trufant with DPI. 1st and goal Dallas at 2. Barber walks into the end zone for the TD. 14-3 Dallas.
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Bad Orton. The only positive thing he has produced was the slowest 10-yard-scramble you'll see this week. The Denver offense is DEAD so far.
Also Ed Reed made a highlight reel hit on Moreno, who fumbled on the play. Slow developing screens will get your reciever killed... by Ed...
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A nice pass to Carlson for a first down. Then, Seneca Wallace, playing receiver, falls down on a flea-flicker play that would have gained big yards.
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13:54 to go in the second quarter, the Manning Face makes its first appearance.
Hail Hydra!
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I have yet to see Dawkins miss a tackle this year. Easily took Heap down, one-on-one, short of the sticks on 3rd down.
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Bronco O-line injury #1: RT Ryan Harris, toe-injury, carted to locker, questionable.
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Noooooooooo!
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Harris back on the sideline. Looks healthy. Whew...
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Great. We now have Johnnie Mitchell ranting on UK TV about how Vince Young "shouldn't have lost his job due to injury". He is actually the worst NFL analyst I have ever seen - he even makes Nick Halling look competent.
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I guess Mitchell can't recognize incompetence.
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Unbelievable pass from Hassleback to Branch. The Dallas defender turns his head about a half second too late. 14-10 Dallas.
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They just showed it in NYG-Phi--that was a beautiful pass.
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The passrush of the Ravens is killing the Bronco-Oline. It'll take a defensive score, for the Broncos to get on the board. Or Royal on ST maybe...?
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Or Brandon Marshall calling PI on Foxworthy. Wait? I thought the guys in the zebra suits were suppose to make the calls?
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Anyone remember what FOA thought of LeSean McCoy?
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"[A] shifty back with great acceleration and good instincts for knowing where and how to hit the hole. He’s got the tools to be a great receiver, but doesn’t have a ton of experience. ... [H]e can’t pass block and he has serious fumble issues" Projected DVOA: 9.4% rushing, 18.2% receiving
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Orton: 5/8, 2 yards, 0/0
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Ah, but he doesn't turn the ball over...
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And just wins games
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Not today he doesn't.
According to Johnnie Mitchell, "Where Kyle Orton go, this team go."
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How do you complete 5 passes for only 2 yards?
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Seattle loses a challenge they probably shouldn't have made. Austin made a great catch on the sideline.
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Dawkins misses his first tackle on the year. He was all over Flacco, who flips it out to Rice who gets 15.
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OMG! Seattle sacks Romo.
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Romo did not look sharp during that drive. He was almost picked twice. Dallas misses a 48-yard FG attempt. Still 14-10 Dallas.
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The use of "The Look" in a "Grand Theft Auto" commercial is strangely disconcerting.
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Eli throws and it's not really on target but caught by Nicks. The announcers praise Eli's confidence in leaving it high for Nicks to go get it.
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There's that patented Eli "throw it up and hope it's not intercepted" throw that Plaxico used to always come down with.
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As was pointed out on BGN, Mannings do not throw desperation passes.
Hail Hydra!
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Kyle Orton is a tool thats why he has only 2 yards on 5 completions. Short passing game doesn't work vs the Ravens.
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In case anyone missed it, it's currently Cardinals 3, Tigers 0.
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Hey, the Tigers have two points...
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Oops, rented fingers. Sorry.
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And the Rams score a TD on a fake field goal. This game is much more exciting than it deserves to be.
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Carpenter untouched on a sack of Hassleback. Seattle punts.
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Bill Barnwell shares champagne with his Bobby Carpenter fathead in celebration.
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Eli throws a perfect pass to Sheldon Brown. However, Brown is called for holding and the interception is negated.
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For all his faults, when Orton gets the time to set his feet, he is extremely accurate. You just KNOW he's going to complete the pass.
Broncos mmoving the ball a little bit - two minute warning at the Bronco 40.
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Yes, and that accuracy improved noticeably as soon as the cast came off his finger. I actually feel fine about Orton. Better than I did about Cutler, anyway (and I know we have disagreements there).
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I would take Cutler any day - no doubt. However: Orton has reached "best case scenario" for me. This level of production, and absence of turnovers is all a broncos-fan could've hoped for.
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Another miscommunication between Romo and Williams. Seatlle nearly picks Romo.
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Ryan Harris back in the game - Gumbell and Dierdorff of course fails to mention just that.
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Well, you know, offensive linemen don't matter. Dierdorf knows that.
Very glad to know Harris is back out there--if there's one thing Denver definitely has going for it, it's the O-line.
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Awful coverage by the Eagles there and Boss catches a TD pass. Suddenly, in a game the Eagles have dominated, the Giants are only down 9.
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and then the Giants let DeSean Jackson loose in their secondary. Oops.
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That doesn't sound like any Eagles team I've ever seen... *Ahem.*
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Seattle offsides on back-to-back plays to give Dallas a first down.
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The Giants forgot DeSean Jackson was on the field and he easily scores the most wide open touchdown in history. Meanwhile, one of the officials just falls down behind him for no apparent reason.
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Interesting strategy by the Giants to not bother covering Desean Jackson.
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The O-line is getting killed. Very strange! The Ravens have a good rush, but this o-line usualy is flawless...
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Eli Manning puts the ball perfectly in Quentin Demps's hands. Eli is having one of the worst games I have ever seen from a legitimate QB.
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The Broncos have had excellent half-time adjustments so far this season. It'll take something special - or a lucky fluke - to score on the Ravens today. Broncos down 6-0 at halftime.
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Wow, Bad Eli has shown up today with a vengeance.
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Second Trufant DPI puts Dallas in red zone towards end of first half.
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Eli airmails a pick to Demps. Eagles ball at the Giant 42. 1:15 to play.
Hail Hydra!
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...and one of the Giants corners get beat to the inside in man coverage. Easy 6.
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Will a team go 0-16 or 16-0?
-Yes, 0-16
-Yes, 16-0
-Both
-No.
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Maclin. 34-yard TD. Eagles 30, Giants 7.
Hail Hydra!
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And McNabb reaps revenge on me for benching him in fantasy by completing another TD pass.
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TO made his league leading 8th drop of the season in the end zone forcing Buffalo to kick a field goal. It looks like he somehow managed to get outmuscled by Jacque Reeves on a fade route. Rich Gannon blames the drop on Fitzpatrick for some unknown, unknowable reason.
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The Raiders front office has released the following statement: "Rich Gannon is complaining becauze he sucks. Screw Rich Gannon."
The NFL is investigating why Al Davis is commenting.
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What are the niners doing to stop Manning?
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They found a time machine, and went back to 2001.
"Playoffs? Don't talk to me about Playoffs."
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Is it possible that the reason DVOA has trouble with the Eagles is that they always do what the Cardinals apparently did late last season? It seems every year they lose a couple of games that make them look like crap against pathetic opponents and then they suddenly show up and dominate against a tough opponent. Maybe they really just don't try during those bad games.
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Roy Williams for the Dallas TD. It's under review, but it should stand easily.
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TD confirmed. 21-10 Dallas with :35 to go in first half.
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Brandon Jacobs attempts an impersonation of Devin Hester.
That wasn't a good idea.
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he took 3 steps where Hester would make 19.
The Eagles look good to me the past few weeks. I'm calling Saints and Eagles in the NFC final.
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Anderson: 2/8, 17 yards, INT
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Victor Butler with a nice hit on the Seattle KO return.
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Eagles up 30-7 at halftime and the score doesn't reflect how bad Eli has looked. I hate to pick on the guy, but he's looking like Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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Eagles up 30-7 at halftime and the score doesn't reflect how bad Eli has looked. I hate to pick on the guy, but he's looking like Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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Dierdorf's blathering that the Denver O-line has been getting abused. I haven't been watching. Is he accurate?
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ABSOLUTELY. for once. Been getting killed all day - weird.
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Webb returns the kick off for a Ravens TD. Rats.
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Ravens return second half KO for TD. Great run.
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Ravens 13, Broncos 0
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Good game so far between Niners and Colts. We'll see if the Niners can hang on (probably not).
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Ravens get tagged for what looks like a horrible DPI call. Marshall has mastered his begging skills.
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He learned to whine from Cutler.
It was too easy to pass it up.
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The NFL should have an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for begging and whining. They should call it that too. Begging and whining.
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I agree.
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I vote "puling." That's one of my favorite words.
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I like it.
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Bizarre play! Orton fakes to RB. Fakes end around. Goes 50 yards down field to Marshall in double coverage. Phantom PI called. Late. Very, very late.
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Orton nails the upright on a pass he throws from about the 10-yard line.
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Did anyone else notice the graphic on the 49ers first series?
It said: "ALEX SMITH--LAST START: LOST AT SEA."
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lol
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that's great
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Denver goes for it on 4th and one. The play comes up short but the Ravens are offsides. 1st and goal Denver.
49ers v.Colts
The 49ers could actually be up more than 14-9 at the half.
For whatever reason, Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye still want to establish the run, but the run game outside of that long TD run from Gore (where the Colts didn't tackle well at all) has been pedestrian. When they spread it out a bit, they're much more successful. Smith's arm is fine and now that he has Vernon Davis playing at an All-Pro level along with Crabtree's emergence, they need to exploit that a lot more than banging Gore up as much as they have.
Meanwhile, Manning's been having trouble reading some of these blitz coverages, but the problem is that he's leaving a lot of balls up high or long for his receivers. 49ers are doing a good job of mixing him up, though, as they haven't allowed a big play all game. Bend but don't break seems to be working.
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As soon as I say it, two big third down conversions for Manning. Third down DVOA in the first half will probably be pretty bad, but it's looking good early in the third.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Slow developing sweeps or stretches with Ed Reed on the field, will just not work. Ever.
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Ngata down for the Ravens. Doesn't look good at the moment.
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Ngata walks off the field under his own power, though slowly. Lewis tagged for DPI in the end zone. Denver scores on the next play. 13-7 Ravens.
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The Giants fumble the ball away. The Eagles are having trouble getting on the field instead of just falling down laughing at the Giants' incompetence.
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Alex Smith, Vernon Davis, and Michael Crabtree all look pretty good against a pretty solid defense.
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Oh no! Someone divided by 0 again.
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It should be mentioned that on SF's TD drive, Smith looked right on every play except the touchdown pass. We might be in for a 2nd-half meltdown after Indy makes some adjustments.
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When are offset penalties "replay of down" and when are they offset and "result of the play stands"?
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To a first approximation, the result of the play stands when the penalties occur after the play.
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Officials in Broncos-Ravens game throwing a lot of late flags half way across the field from the call.
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I just got to look at the first drive by Colts of the second half -- wow, the offensive line is playing really poorly. Pure luck to move the ball close enough to get a FG. They'll need to be better if they have any chance to win, or the D will have to score.
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I give Tom Coughlin credit--Giants just went for it on 4th-and-4 on the Eagles' 29. It didn't work out, but credit for trying anyway.
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TMQ will be happy!
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OK -- what is the reason that Houston can not seem to find a way to get the ball to any of their receivers inside the 10? There ought to be too many options to stop, right? First the Cardinals game, now this....
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The Giants seem to have borrowed the Titans' defensive gameplan from their game against New England.
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I have Sunday Ticket so I can watch any game. And I'm watching Rams-Lions. I think I need therapy.
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or a new tv. or glasses. or a brain.
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No. It's sympathy viewing because Tanier had to read "Monday Night Jihad".
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Elam should write a sequel, "Sunday Afternoon Feces". A terrorist wants to plant a bomb at an NFL game, but gets confused and puts it in the wrong spot. It goes off as planned, but all it does is blow up a large septic tank, covering the field with a thick layer of feces. And nobody notices, because it's Lions-Rams.
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LOL.
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Then the producers of "24" would have TWO seasons' worth of material for when Kiefer Sutherland's salary demands get too high.
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Wow.
Sack-fumble-lateral. By the giants.
Let's see if it stands.
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Umenyiora scores a defensive TD on a "fumble" by Mcnabb that looks to me like an incomplete pass. Reid is now challenging.
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Note for future: Do not make comments like "looks to me like an incomplete pass" before the replays run.
However, they rule that the lateral was an illegal forward pass (and that looks right to me after seeing the replays) and so there is no touchdown.
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Why is Andy Reid challenging this?
ETA: was clearly a fumble, but the lateral wasn't a lateral, apparently. Huh.
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Romo to Jones to the 8-yard line. First and goal Dallas. Lucas injured when Jones runs him over.
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4th and 6 on their 24.
Kick the FG?
Now you're behind only 23!
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Trufant with his 3rd DPI of the game.
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Austin for the DAL TD. 28-10 Dallas.
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How the Ravens are winning: Overloads on defense and Flacco + bad tackling on offense.
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Miami Offense: 59 yards - 3 points
Miami Defense/Special Teams: 313 yards - 21 points
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Commentary on Giants (10) Eagles (33) 3 minutes left in the 3rd Q.
"it's like par five and having you sand wedge out."
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Fox may have just made The Onion obsolete.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10304388/NFL-on-FOX:-Follow-Favre-Bow...
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Fox is like religious extremists. They are a parody of themselves.
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I'm going crazy. The Broncos defenders have contact with Flacco half of his dropbacks. But he's just sooo huge he can easily escape and complete passes downfield. This is with Roethlisberger comming up...
Flacco to Mason. Laser. 23-7 = ballgame.
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That is a bad sign. However, with the way that division is looking, no need to worry unless they lose about 5 in a row.
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what broadcast are you watching in Denmark?
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Illegal peer-to-peer, shhh...
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Why wasn't Braylon Edwards ruled "forward progress stopped" on that TD?
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Ok, so I have the philly D and Brandon Jacobs, after they run Jacobs a bunch of times, no down near the goal line, I'm thinking, well at least these two will cancel each other out. Nope. Let's run bradshaw. Yuck.
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Does anyone have a competitive game? I'm suffering through Seahawks-Cowboys and Broncos-Ravens.
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Mia/NYJ is very competitive.
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Chad Henne just wins, baby!
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Mine are both blowouts. Surprisingly enough, 49ers-Colts is the one I wish I had.
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HWSNBN was boo'd badly when entering the stadium.
I don't think he deserves it.
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"I saw a guy with the football and he wasn't wearing our jersey, so I hit him."
-Colts LB Mike Curtis (talking about when he hit a drunken fan who ran onto the field and stole the ball)
Seems like a fair principle to apply as fans--he's not in our jersey so we'll boo him.
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McCoy goes 71 yards for the TD. Eagles-40, Giants-17.
Hail Hydra!
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LeSean McCoy just outruns everyone for a TD. I'm not sure how I feel about him today, but that was a good run.
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Okay, that "Tailgate Companion" is now officially the weirdest thing Miller Lite has come up with yet...On the other hand, it's more entertaining than the PHI-NYG game has been...
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If the Giants go for a FG again, someone should be fired.
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But they won a Super Bowl. Therefore, everyone there is forevermore a genius.
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Feagles just missed a FG.
That coach should just take off his headphones and call it a day.
Pathetic.
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I guess the Miami offense was jealous of the D/ST. :)
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What a bizarre 2pt decision though.
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I think their charts must say "up by 6 is better than up by 5": Miami chose to try for 13 rather than 12, right after Indy chose to try for 6 rather than 5. Both failed, unfortunately.
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Then the Jets go for two, get it, and it's called back for an illegal shift. Second attempt fails. Ow.
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Miami scores a TD to go up by 11, and they go for two. Simms says it's not the right call, and I'm forced to agree.
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Broken clock>Phil Simms
Apologize to the clocks.
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Fox gives us a view of [Vikings QB's] entrance. How exciting. However, I must say it was sort of interesting that the Packer fans seem to have decided on an unusual combination of booing and applause (it looked like most were doing both at the same time) as a response.
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...and the eagles give up 5 yards after 5 yards after 5 yards.
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Allow me to be the first to say "screw you and the horse you rode in on, Ryan Moats."
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Are you suggesting Ryan Moats isn't himself a horse?
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Interesting to be able to hear the umpire during the Colts game.
During the 2PC, while Manning was calling signals, you could hear the linebacker saying, "Excuse me! Move! Move!" to the ump. Then the ump said, "Where are you going?" The linebacker replied, "That way!"
It seems to me like something's wrong there. The LB was spending too much time talking to somebody behind him seconds before the snap. Is that the LB's fault or the ump's?
Do you think that happens a lot? I've never been able to hear it before.
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That does seem weird. I have no idea, though, how often it happens.
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I've played linebacker and that guy is sometimes just next to you.
So you tell him, move, I gotta go there.
Sometimes you're friendly, sometimes you tell him. They understand and try not to be involved in the game.
Funny to hear it on a broadcast though.
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Giants attempt a 47-yard FG down by 23 with 9:21 to play in the fourth. The Football Gods, fittingly offended, cause a miss. And TMQ just wrote "Game over."
Hail Hydra!
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Expect a few punts down the road.
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An ugly loss for te broncos. Boy.
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It looks like the defense still played fairly well.
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Walt Coleman's crew in the Baltimore-Denver game is terrible. I'm not sure what is going on, and I'm not a Raven's fan, but this is ridiculous. I'm not sure whether it is Coleman or just one or more of the refs, but there have been several totally bogus calls coming from the wrong refs, all the way across the field and way after the play is over. There is at least one ref who needs to be suspended and investigated after this game.
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Seattle with what's effectively a garbage time TD. 38-17 Dallas.
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I predicted Eagles and Saints for the NFC championship game (and waffled nonstop on who would win). I'm feeling good about that at this point.
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It took me a few weeks, but this seems like a lock to me.
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I am afraid of Green Bay crashing the party, but otherwise it's difficult to see how it doesn't happen. The Giants don't seem to have the offense for it, the Cowboys don't seem to have the defense, and the Falcons don't seem to have the defense. I still don't know what to make of the Cardinals, but I just don't see them getting there.
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Thanks, Fox, for sticking with the philly game instead of switching to, oh, say, the 49ers-Indy? Hell, I'd even take Detroit-Cleveland over this...
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They don't want to have some other game taking time away from the Green Bay Orgy.
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In Europe it's ESPN America, with the Fox broadcast and if I see another 5 yard gain by the Giants I'm going to kill my neighbours.
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They've stayed with the Seahawks-Cowboys here. :-(
Not me. I want to every
Not me. I want to every bloody second of this gory disembowling.
Hail Hydra!
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Of course, CBS isn't any better. I still have Broncos-Ravens.
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Stephen Jackson scores! The Rams have victory in sight! 98-yard-drive to put the game away!
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Yep, I understand, Harris. If it were my packers blowing out the vikings by this score, I would say the same thing.
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If it's any consolation, I think all of America hopes the Packers stomp a mudhole in the Vikings' ass today.
Hail Hydra!
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Kyle Orton just passed the century mark with 1:07 left in the 4th quarter. Back to reality he has came.
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That, or the Ravens defense found the old form they lost three games ago.
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Or the Ravens improved and Orton had a bad day. He looked far too good before for me to say that this is "reality."
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Whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahha.
Coughlin is making these 'hurry up' movements with his hand. Just after they let the playclock move to 1 second.
What do you think? You're going to score, take the onside, score, take the onside, score take the onside and score within 2 minutes? LOL
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the commentator rightfully said that it was one quarter and 5 minutes too late.
They should've been in hurry up right after half time.
I can not imagine that an NFL coach gives up after a half. That's what he did.
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He was visibly screaming at his team in the middle of the 3rd quarter to hurry up. The announcers complained that he wasn't making his team hurry up (as he was doing this screaming on-screen). Now late they're complaining about how he waited far too long before doing that.
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That could be, but if he was in a hurry, then why was he calling a FG in the 2nd half? Why the screen passes and running plays?
I think he was acting like a coach in a hurry, but was not being one.
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I actually think that he was just thinking, "Maybe we can get it together and come back" and screaming then and then when the team didn't respond and couldn't move the ball he gave up and just went through the motions of saying he wanted to hurry. I didn't see him do it in between the middle of the third and the end of the 4th, so he may not have been at all in that time.
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Vick is in.
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Wow, this has to be a record. A 25-second shot just to hear the Green Bay crowd.
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Well, I may have to mute the TV to watch the Vikings-Packers.
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...in madden you can mute the commentators...
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I heard Collinsworth say that his kids told him they did that to him.
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LMAO!
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Aikman just said the hardest part for [Vikings QB] would be getting dressed in the visitors' locker room. Does that mean he may come out without pants or something? Accidentally wearing Kevin Williams's jersey?
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So it's the great GB defense. vs the packers offense that did very well against the steelers defense.
I think the GB D will take away the pass. The Vikes will struggle but will take some FGs.
The Packers will do fine against the D, and score 27 points against 16 of the Pack.
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Immediately, the officials mess up a fumble call in the Packers' favor. Obviously, this is part of the leaguewide conspiracy against [Vikings QB].
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Gotta love the forward progress rule.
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Wow, the Titans are actually playing well against the Jaguars. Maybe putting in Vince Young will work.
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It's a boovation for [Vikings QB].
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Good first series for the Viking defense. I really think it's mostly looked like Jared Allen and 10 other guys this year, but that was a good series.
And, mercifully, [Vikings QB] is being unmercifully booed.
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Is the crowd extra loud or are they just playing it louder to make it seem like they are?
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Pretty good first defensive series for the packers.
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The saddest thing about Fox's [Vikings QB] Cam is that I'm sure my father is watching it.
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Fox has the Favre cam, which will be on him all day, no matter what. I hope there's a giant dump at halftime in Brett Favre's future.
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Must...not...throw...things...at...Jimmy...Football.
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If you throw things at him, he'll use them to make more beer-related products.
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I was more worried about my 42-inch Vizio. But, you're point is well taken.
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Rodgers gets crossed up, or his receivers do, and 2 incomplete passes later, punt. Oh and a screen for a loss thrown in for good measure.
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hehe.
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I'm not sure I remember seeing a snap when the QB was so obviously unprepared for it before. A fumble gives the Packers the ball.
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And the Packers promptly blow their opportunity and have to settle for the FG.
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You apparently never saw Akili Smith play, on any snap ever.
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Actually, no. I didn't. I'm rather glad about that.
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The Viking defense makes a great stop to force the Packers to kick a field goal. So far, it's a defensive struggle, rather surprisingly.
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Great return by Harvin.
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I can't believe he didn't score.
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Did you see [Vikings QB] open that hole for Harvin's return? He just does everything on that team!
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Well, since the hardest part of the game for him is getting dressed, that may have been him in Harvin's uniform.
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Johnnie Mitchell (part of the SkySports studio team): "[Vikings QB] is doing a great job today just handing off to AP."
Sure takes some amount of talent to hand off to a running back all day. I just don't know how that would work with anybody else in there.
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I think every commentator in the world is getting paid by the number of Favre references they make today.
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[Vikings QB] makes a brilliant move by throwing a screen to Taylor on third-and-five when there's a defender in easy position to make a play. Then, Johnny Jolly of the Packers pulls one of the dumbest moves in football history and head butts Taylor to give the Vikings a first down.
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Vikings take advantage of Jolly's stupidity and get the TD on a 4th and goal AD run. 7-3 Vikings.
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What a stupid penalty on Jolly.
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British softie here, but howcome he wasn't ejected for that? What exactly do you have to do to be ejected from the game?
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I don't know any more. I saw Bradshaw (NYG) throw a punch last week and not get ejected. Maybe you have to sleep with Goodell's wife on the sideline.
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That rule has exceptions in subsection G-1.426 to the fifth power as long as requirements of section 2(a)(5)(B)(iv) subsection 8 are also met, but overall you're right.
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Well played.
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Punch an official. In the playoffs, twice.
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Do both punches need to be on the same official, following the same play, or just in the same game?
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Whoa--Childress shows some balls. And not in the creepy way his beard suggests he would. He goes for it, rightly, on 4th-and-goal on the one and they make it.
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ok. So I throw my tv remote away after jolly makes his boneheaded play, i put the remote back together again, except every button I push comes up a "6." so it goes to channel 666, not available, so thankfully I missed the touchdown dive by the time I fixed the remote.
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Sorry, dude, but LMAO.
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I agree with jayinalaska.
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fuck you, Vikings QB. You did an awesome job handing the ball to the best running back in the league. I also can't stand jared allen. Good player, but those lame ass celebrations after he makes a play...although it's better than that stupid samurai thing that barnett used to do for the packers
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I like Jared Allen. If nothing else, there is the great description of whether there was a schism in the Vikings locker room over the new QB: (I'm going from memory, so it's probably not perfect) "When I heard that I went, 'whoa,' 'cause I thought that was some sort of STD or somethin' and we preach abstinence here."